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	<description>trivial dissertation on trivial subjects</description>
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		<title>By: Preed</title>
		<link>http://david.navi.cx/?p=136&#038;cpage=1#comment-13264</link>
		<dc:creator>Preed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 08:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... I&#039;m coming late to the party and all, but... I thought I&#039;d point out that I think the reason behind people posting the number all over the Internet is that it is, as you point out, a form of civil disobedience.

The whole point is to illustrate the flawed nature of the DMCA, and the fact that it was bad legislation when it was passed and it&#039;s bad legislation now.

No, it&#039;s not picketing in the streets, or ignoring HD-DVD/Blueray players until content producers get the point... and yes, you&#039;re completely right that those steps would be more effective.

But if your goal is to point out that the basic tenants on which the DMCA is based represent bad legislation, then actively breaking the law by posting the number (and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1155&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;creating circumvention devices on purpose&lt;/a&gt;) isn&#039;t, in my opinion, as pointless as you make it out to be.

You have to admit that content producers suing individuals on the basis of a 128-bit number is pretty absurd. I think the hubbub is more about pointing out that absurdity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So… I’m coming late to the party and all, but… I thought I’d point out that I think the reason behind people posting the number all over the Internet is that it is, as you point out, a form of civil disobedience.</p>
<p>The whole point is to illustrate the flawed nature of the DMCA, and the fact that it was bad legislation when it was passed and it’s bad legislation now.</p>
<p>No, it’s not picketing in the streets, or ignoring HD-DVD/Blueray players until content producers get the point… and yes, you’re completely right that those steps would be more effective.</p>
<p>But if your goal is to point out that the basic tenants on which the DMCA is based represent bad legislation, then actively breaking the law by posting the number (and <a href="http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1155" rel="nofollow">creating circumvention devices on purpose</a>) isn’t, in my opinion, as pointless as you make it out to be.</p>
<p>You have to admit that content producers suing individuals on the basis of a 128-bit number is pretty absurd. I think the hubbub is more about pointing out that absurdity.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hearn</title>
		<link>http://david.navi.cx/?p=136&#038;cpage=1#comment-13253</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Hearn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 10:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 to you. The whole &quot;zomg DRM is so evil&quot; thing is unbelievably pathetic, in my book. I&#039;ve disassembled more than one copy protection scheme in my time but I&#039;ve never cracked them, and I&#039;ve never had any respect for people who do.

There is exactly one (1) solution to the &quot;problem&quot; of DRM, and that&#039;s for people who don&#039;t like it to produce their own non-protected content. Period. End of story.

It would be far, far better if the people criticising you here for pouring cold water on their little party went out and wrote some music, made a film, wrote a video game and then sold it unprotected. And didn&#039;t whine when 90% of the people enjoying their work never paid them.

Instead we get these ridiculous anti-DRM &quot;movements&quot; and orgies of self congratulation when protection mechanisms are broken. It&#039;s disgusting to watch, especially when it&#039;s done all in the name of backups, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 to you. The whole “zomg DRM is so evil” thing is unbelievably pathetic, in my book. I’ve disassembled more than one copy protection scheme in my time but I’ve never cracked them, and I’ve never had any respect for people who do.</p>
<p>There is exactly one (1) solution to the “problem” of DRM, and that’s for people who don’t like it to produce their own non-protected content. Period. End of story.</p>
<p>It would be far, far better if the people criticising you here for pouring cold water on their little party went out and wrote some music, made a film, wrote a video game and then sold it unprotected. And didn’t whine when 90% of the people enjoying their work never paid them.</p>
<p>Instead we get these ridiculous anti-DRM “movements” and orgies of self congratulation when protection mechanisms are broken. It’s disgusting to watch, especially when it’s done all in the name of backups, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: HypoLuxa</title>
		<link>http://david.navi.cx/?p=136&#038;cpage=1#comment-13250</link>
		<dc:creator>HypoLuxa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 22:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s MY Internet bitch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s MY Internet bitch.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://david.navi.cx/?p=136&#038;cpage=1#comment-13245</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 22:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your reasoning is ill-conceived.

Posting the number is EXACTLY the same as picketing. It&#039;s a public display of solidarity in an effort to raise awareness of the issue and display the bargaining strength of the collective group.

Just because you don&#039;t like the demonstration being in *your* face, doesn&#039;t invalidate any of the reasons for doing it.

Perhaps you should take your own advice and do something productive. It would make you seem much less hypocritical for condemning others for &quot;internet whining&quot; when you&#039;re just as guilty of doing the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your reasoning is ill-conceived.</p>
<p>Posting the number is EXACTLY the same as picketing. It’s a public display of solidarity in an effort to raise awareness of the issue and display the bargaining strength of the collective group.</p>
<p>Just because you don’t like the demonstration being in *your* face, doesn’t invalidate any of the reasons for doing it.</p>
<p>Perhaps you should take your own advice and do something productive. It would make you seem much less hypocritical for condemning others for “internet whining” when you’re just as guilty of doing the same.</p>
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		<title>By: PENIX</title>
		<link>http://david.navi.cx/?p=136&#038;cpage=1#comment-13244</link>
		<dc:creator>PENIX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 20:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should never have gotten to the level it did. It&#039;s not that special of a number. Very few people will ever actually do anything with it. I&#039;m never going to use it. I&#039;ll just download the DVD-R image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should never have gotten to the level it did. It’s not that special of a number. Very few people will ever actually do anything with it. I’m never going to use it. I’ll just download the DVD-R image.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://david.navi.cx/?p=136&#038;cpage=1#comment-13243</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 20:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Picketing is effective. Boycotts are effective. Political action is sometimes effective. Whining on the internet is not.&quot;

Which is exactly what this is. Dave, it&#039;s not your internet. We get to whine, you get to whine, that&#039;s free speech.

&quot;code: 09-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41-56-C5-63-56-88-C0&quot;

Bong! You&#039;ve got mail! Oh, is that a DMCA takedown notice? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Picketing is effective. Boycotts are effective. Political action is sometimes effective. Whining on the internet is not.”</p>
<p>Which is exactly what this is. Dave, it’s not your internet. We get to whine, you get to whine, that’s free speech.</p>
<p>“code: 09-F9-11–02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41–56-C5-63–56-88-C0”</p>
<p>Bong! You’ve got mail! Oh, is that a DMCA takedown notice? <img src='http://david.navi.cx/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://david.navi.cx/?p=136&#038;cpage=1#comment-13242</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 19:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, most of the replies here surprise me. Well, not really, but still..

I agree completely with you David in that it&#039;s very lame to post a number on a blog just for the sake of it (there have been posts which used the number tastefully and for a good reason, but seriously, the big majority of posts were an embarrassment), and we people don&#039;t like to be shown how lame we are, so there you have it.

Having said that, I think you did the right thing, standing by your position and writing about it. After all, you have the same right to tell the world your view on it as much as people have the right to write incredibly lame stuff on their blogs, and that number is just.... so, so lame... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, most of the replies here surprise me. Well, not really, but still..</p>
<p>I agree completely with you David in that it’s very lame to post a number on a blog just for the sake of it (there have been posts which used the number tastefully and for a good reason, but seriously, the big majority of posts were an embarrassment), and we people don’t like to be shown how lame we are, so there you have it.</p>
<p>Having said that, I think you did the right thing, standing by your position and writing about it. After all, you have the same right to tell the world your view on it as much as people have the right to write incredibly lame stuff on their blogs, and that number is just.… so, so lame… <img src='http://david.navi.cx/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bustaa</title>
		<link>http://david.navi.cx/?p=136&#038;cpage=1#comment-13241</link>
		<dc:creator>bustaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 17:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>geezuz ... u need a woman ... (maybe a life too)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geezuz … u need a woman … (maybe a life too)</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Boström</title>
		<link>http://david.navi.cx/?p=136&#038;cpage=1#comment-13240</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Boström</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 17:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did publish the number in my blog, in a posting arguing that it the mere existance of laws banning such publication is harmful to society. I&#039;m hoping my friends and family who aren&#039;t so tech and tech-politics savvy will read it and wonder how anyone thinks it would be possible to keep those numbers secret for very long. I consider that useful.

The DMCA and similar laws are unenforcable. (If they weren&#039;t our contries would be called police states.) Such unenforcable laws are harmful and it&#039;s important to expose them as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did publish the number in my blog, in a posting arguing that it the mere existance of laws banning such publication is harmful to society. I’m hoping my friends and family who aren’t so tech and tech-politics savvy will read it and wonder how anyone thinks it would be possible to keep those numbers secret for very long. I consider that useful.</p>
<p>The DMCA and similar laws are unenforcable. (If they weren’t our contries would be called police states.) Such unenforcable laws are harmful and it’s important to expose them as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://david.navi.cx/?p=136&#038;cpage=1#comment-13239</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 15:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  It&#039;s about a cost/benefit analysis.  Posting the number is cheap (free, really) and has the benefit of making the key totally ineffective.  Do you actually believe that picketing the DVD CCA would have been *more effective* in demonstrating the toothlessness of DRM schemes than posting this number far and wide on the internet?  If so I&#039;d watch who you&#039;re considering naive.  The internet gives people a way of acting without much cost (potential legal threats aside) and with at least as much effect as more tried-ad-true means of protest.

2. Part of the exercise was also to show how blurry the line is between the number and derived artistic works.  If I create a song which encorporates the number in, say, its tonal scheme, am I violating some law?  Does that have &quot;no artistic merit or value?&quot;  Who are you to say what does or doesn&#039;t have &quot;artistic merit or value,&quot; anyhow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  It’s about a cost/benefit analysis.  Posting the number is cheap (free, really) and has the benefit of making the key totally ineffective.  Do you actually believe that picketing the DVD CCA would have been *more effective* in demonstrating the toothlessness of DRM schemes than posting this number far and wide on the internet?  If so I’d watch who you’re considering naive.  The internet gives people a way of acting without much cost (potential legal threats aside) and with at least as much effect as more tried-ad-true means of protest.</p>
<p>2. Part of the exercise was also to show how blurry the line is between the number and derived artistic works.  If I create a song which encorporates the number in, say, its tonal scheme, am I violating some law?  Does that have “no artistic merit or value?”  Who are you to say what does or doesn’t have “artistic merit or value,” anyhow?</p>
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